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Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
Apr 26 2011, 9:53 PM EDT
And of course, Ausiello is vague...says it 'could be Nick". Seriously? With Catherine leaving or only being around part of next season I would hate to find out Nick is being killed off!
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Sand_and_Sage |
1. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
Apr 27 2011, 10:52 PM EDT
That won't happen George has said many time "He'd stay till the end" and that he doesn't understand why people leave CSI. He's the rock of CSI and I guarantee he will return in S/12..
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aingeal |
2. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
Apr 28 2011, 9:48 AM EDT
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"And of course, Ausiello is vague...says it 'could be Nick". Seriously? With Catherine leaving or only being around part of next season I would hate to find out Nick is being killed off! "My money is on Nate Haskell. People may not like the character but he is and has been a pivotal/important character in this serial killer storyline that they are finally wrapping up. It's been a good run but let's put it to rest. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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#1hotchfan |
3. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
Apr 28 2011, 11:05 AM EDT
"My money is on Nate Haskell. People may not like the character but he is and has been a pivotal/important character in this serial killer storyline that they are finally wrapping up. It's been a good run but let's put it to rest. "I agree with you. I think they just like to 'tease' it could be a regular cast member...but considering the majority are returning next season, I don't see it being Nick for sure. My money is on Nate Haskell as well... Do you find this valuable? |
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Deamnymel |
4. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
Apr 30 2011, 3:57 AM EDT
Wow...okay...I'd read that and have been freaking out ever since. I thought it would be Nick, because it couldn't be Catherine, I wouldn't let myself think it was Greggo, kinda hoping it was Langston but knowing it wouldn't be...But I'd never considered Nate. "Pivotal", yes, in recent events. I agree with that, I think Langston will finally get him. They just make you think it's a CSI. Do you find this valuable? |
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Where'sMyGreggo? |
5. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
Apr 30 2011, 2:50 PM EDT
Hmmmm...my thoughts were that it would be someone like Nate, probably not a regular. Process of elimination seems a logical way to do it; I don't think it's Nick (cuz of the staying until the end thing), or Catherine because she's leaving next season...I doubt it's Sara because I thought she was getting a much more central role in the next season due to Cat's leaving...that just really leaves Greg and Ray.I've heard nothing about Eric leaving (pleasdon'tlethimleavepleasedon'tlethimleave) and I always got the impression he was going to try and stay with it like George, but Ray has so much screentime now (by the way, I think it's ridiculous how the show revolves around him now) that I can't see him just suddenly getting killed off...meh, I think it has to be Nate. I don't know, but if Greg does leave, I can - and will - start a mass revolt along with any CSI viewers who care to join me :P Do you find this valuable? |
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Sand_and_Sage |
6. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
Apr 30 2011, 4:01 PM EDT
I would be devastated it they nuked Ray, he's so powerful and such a great character on CSI, probaly the best one ever, in CSI history. The reason he has "so much screen time" is that they hired him to replace WP as the "lead and the star of CSI" Just like when Grissom was on, we saw him more than everyone else. I feel honored and thrilled that he's on CSI. The fans should by now see how great he is, and I"m glad I've got good taste and appreciate this man, "ravishing Ray"
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vida-blue |
7. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
Apr 30 2011, 4:22 PM EDT
" "ravishing Ray"ROTFL Do you find this valuable? |
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minisidle20 |
8. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
Apr 30 2011, 5:08 PM EDT
I was thinking about this the other day and I hate to say this but it could be Brass.
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Sand_and_Sage |
9. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
Apr 30 2011, 8:46 PM EDT
GEEZ I never thought of Brass, although he does commute from back east, so maybe he's sick of that, it could happen, I hope not, he's the best and one liners~
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Winnipeg |
10. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
May 1 2011, 10:35 AM EDT
What about Ecklie? It would be a plausible explanation why his daughter would come to LV. Daddy less than dearest get's killed; baby girl comes for the funeral and to check out the Lab likes what she see and signs up.I have read that Catherine aka MH will be back next season in some capcity, still the night shift supervisor but maybe just not full time...a recuring character maybe. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Where'sMyGreggo? |
11. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
May 1 2011, 4:40 PM EDT
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Ecklie, Brass...two plauseible ideas I'd completely forgotten about..the Ecklie thing really does make sense, but I really hope not, I love to hate him and even though he only shows up every few episodes, it wouldn't be quite the same without him...actually, he is scheduled to be in the finale...interesting. I know LF was hired to replace WP, but on an average episode he has way more screentime than Grissom did anyway. You know, I don't think you can really have someone like Grissom leave and then give all his screentime and then some to a character that the audience has never seen before and then expect the majority of viewers to like him. I've got nothing against the actor, but I never really warmed up to Ray's character because he always seemed slightly false to me, almost like the writers were trying too hard to make him like Grissom, when I don't think someone like Grissom can be properly replaced. Also, probably one of the main reasons they focus so much on him is because of the actor's films and fame so they can just use him to get more viewers, which I don't think is fair on the other actors who have been there for years. I think that a new character would've been fine, but they maybe should've started off with him as having less screentime and focused more heavily on Catherine, Nick, Greg, and maybe some of the labrats, and built up Ray more over time. Also, sorry, for talking so long about that and kind of deviating from the topic :P 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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12. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
May 1 2011, 5:21 PM EDT
"Ecklie, Brass...two plauseible ideas I'd completely forgotten about..the Ecklie thing really does make sense, but I really hope not, I love to hate him and even though he only shows up every few episodes, it wouldn't be quite the same without him...actually, he is scheduled to be in the finale...interesting.I absolutely agree. The focus should've been on how Cath, Nick, Greg and the rest of the established characters were dealing with the changes and then slowly bringing in a new character. Would've been much more realistic, too, and a smoother transisiton from the Grissom era to the post-Grissom era. The team got lost in the shuffle. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sand_and_Sage |
13. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
May 1 2011, 6:09 PM EDT
The team got lost in the shuffle? I so disagree, since the first time they all met Ray, they embraced him as one of their own, they're are all so in tune with each other, the best ever..They taught him the tricks of the trade, and in return he brought them his expertise. And he's got the same amount of screentime as Grissom did. He's the lead/star of the show, and he's doing a terrific job. His best bud is Nick, and him and Doc and Sara are all joined at the hip. it's a great ENSEMBLE. so glad he's on CSI~
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aingeal |
14. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
May 1 2011, 8:41 PM EDT
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Just read in EW that Paul G/Brass will probably be back but everyone else is up in the air. They won't start talking contract until the last episode of the season airs.Sand and Sage i have to disagree somewhat. Ray is best buds with Doc Rob. Ray gets along very well with Nick and Sara but the friendship between Ray and Doc Rob is just awesome. They have some great scenes together. We have to remember that LF/Ray was brought in mid-season. I don't think you have the luxury of time to build and develope a character when you are on a tight time schedule trying to do a weekly show. I'm sure tptb had an idea to the kind of character they wanted Ray to be and would of liked to have more time but in mid-season they had to get this character from point A to point B as quickly as possible. If this was a movie they could of stopped production and taken all the time they needed but they didn't have that kind of time doing a weekly tv show. A different episode week after week. CSI was and is a well established show with a well established cast and fan base and if we the fans thought it was hard on us just imagine how hard it must of been for them. This is why i don't blame LF or TPTB. I just don't think they had the time to do it. You don't have that luxury of time in tv like you do in the movies. I get it. Do you find this valuable? |
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electricrose |
15. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
May 1 2011, 8:44 PM EDT
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I disagree with the time thing. If they would have had a few episodes, 2 or 3, of just the team dealing with the adjustments and then brought in a new character and let him develop through the rest of the season, the transistion would've been smoother. There was no need to go so slam bam like they did. I think they could've even have finished out the rest of season 9 without a new character and been just fine. The transistion was forced rather than natural. The storyline could've been handled much better and with much more finesse. I still think the producers and writers panicked and reacted to that panic rather than looking at things proactively and handling things smoothly.
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aingeal |
16. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
May 1 2011, 9:28 PM EDT
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"I disagree with the time thing. If they would have had a few episodes, 2 or 3, of just the team dealing with the adjustments and then brought in a new character and let him develop through the rest of the season, the transistion would've been smoother. There was no need to go so slam bam like they did. I think they could've even have finished out the rest of season 9 without a new character and been just fine. The transistion was forced rather than natural. The storyline could've been handled much better and with much more finesse. I still think the producers and writers panicked and reacted to that panic rather than looking at things proactively and handling things smoothly."I would be the first to acknowledge that they rammed Ray down our throats. They tried to hard to get the fans to accept him. But i think i'm right about the time crunch thing. And as much as i love the regular characters and i do love them i don't think they could of carried the show without a strong lead. At the time that WP left there wasn't another strong lead actor on the show. There is now. Catherine has really come into her own and so has Nick. But at the time that WP left, no. The regulars could not of carried it. They needed a strong character and regardless what people think of LF/Ray he is a strong lead actor. I don't think Ray has tried to take anything away from the others it is just the type of actor that LF is. He has a really strong presence when he is before the camera. Do you find this valuable? |
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Sand_and_Sage |
17. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
May 1 2011, 11:19 PM EDT
Thank's again aingeal, I usually agree with you beliefs, but what disturbs me is that Ray is in his 3rd season, and fans still find fault with his portrayal, of this character. I would think that people by now, would be used to him and his strong powerful presence. He's never been rammed down my throat, I liked him instantly... He has so bonded with the team.. but the latest news from EW Magazine is that HE WILL RETURN FOR S/12, he stated "I'm not going anywhere and I love it" and Catherine as well will be in limited episodes. so how great is this?
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sarasidle_gsr1511 |
18. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
May 5 2011, 10:52 PM EDT
I think that they should have definitely tried to ease Ray in more than they did. Yes, LF is a great actor and yes, they needed a strong presence on the show, but give the rest of the team a chance! They may not have been as strong as individuals, but as a team, they were as tight as you could get. And I think that, if one of the other actors had a chance, they could have easily pulled it off.BUT to get back on topic, i don't think they will kill Ray, or any of the CSIs. If they were to kill a CSI, it would probably be Ecklie. I only think this because of his daughter coming. But I don't even really think that TPTB would kill off Ecklie. I'm pretty sure that Haskell will finally go. But definitely not the way that we think. Something dramatic will happen and catch us all off-guard. But I think it will be Haskell. Do you find this valuable? |
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19. RE: Pivotal character dies in season 11 finale...
May 6 2011, 11:09 AM EDT
Hope it is Nate--he's been around way too long! And maybe Ray decides to leave town with his ex-wife to provide her love and comfort...disappear, in other words!And going back in the past, when Sara stuck up for herself, Catherine wanted her fired but now Catherine's in charge, Ray goes rogue, Nick backs him up and all Catherine does is give Nick a fist to the shoulder and sends Ray to the house?? And then Ray doesn't even have enough respect for his supervisor to do as told??!! So does he get fired? This show has changed so much over 3 years it is a poor faint shadow of the ensemble acting of season 6-7! 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |